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Benita has sent out an excellent summary of the hui today, and Piri Galbraith sent a response, both are worth reading.
We need this exchange of thinking and leadership so we can follow up with these companies. Lets not just talk and do nothing. A group is needed Benita. Thank you ladies.Marina
Kia ora Benita,
nga mihi i to mahi i tenei ra, kapai koe!
It was a very interesting meeting, and I am glad Manaia and I made it. I support all your korero below and look forward to further discussions as a hapu and with the TAG oil and Apache companies. Their presentation was huge, much not needed for our sakes i.e. in's and out's of how to drill a hole. But once we got to the questions, it open it up for them to see our point of view. All the government can see is money so Oil companies from overseas obviously think going to the top is the way to go, but I am sure they learnt a lot today.
We need to push to add things like:
Local or indigenous employment being 20% of their team (this could upskill a core group of our men (in particular) with drillling, machinery work, there could be administration duties, kaumatua advisory etc. Lets get ourselves involved!
Gaurantees that in 10 - 20 years the areas drilled and work on have regrown to their orginal state (not just replant it and thats all they need to do, because with all the chemicals they are putting into Papatuanuku, there is no gaurantee it will grown, so they need to be liable for more than just replanting).
Where do they stay when they are here, who feeds them, there's more employment opportunities there, and from the feed we had today they could be very well interested in that!
At lunch time I spoke with the men at our table and said something along the lines like...:
You need to do research on the communities that you are coming into and contribute something so that you have the support of the people. Uncle Dick said we don't want money just look after our land but we do at the end of the day, we've been trying for years to get a new ablution block here, at our marae, a playgroud, there is heaps you could do. If you make a contribution, it will be appreciated and people will support you. This place is the heart beat of us all, this is were it all happens for us.
They did say they absolutely do things like that, they have built schools in Eygpt (mainly for girls because they aren't allowed to go!!!!), brought schools sports equipment etc. So I just planted that seed, there's plenty you can do here.
Also I spoke to them about Te Tiriti o Waitangi and article 2 and pointed out that they are taking our natural resources which is to be protected, we are the kaitiaki, so the govt has again breached our treaty. They said yes we have had the treaty talk and there are 2 versions, correct? Yes and the indigenous one is the ONE!
So a lovely bunch of guys, who thought halfway through their presentation, "Oh no, we've done this the wrong way....." they have taken away many thoughts, ideas, desires, wants, and warnings so we will see what comes of them next.
So kia kaha everyone, we need to stick to them like paua. They said they want to be the friendly neighbour and want to know that they are welcome here and if not.... they'll leave..... anyway enough from me, just popping $20 worth in :o)
Po marie xxxx
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM, wrote:
hi the following email was sent out to a group of people who have been
helping us and forwarding on a copy to you all.
benita
Kia ora
The meeting with Tagoil/ Apache tody was well attended by Ngati Kere, with
Robert and Hayden Hape from Dannevirke, whanau from Rakautatahi, Ngati
Kahungunu Iwi, landowners, CHBDC councellors, HBRC Maori standing
committee, whanau and wider community of Porangahau.
Summary of discussion/issues raised:
1. Ngati Kere were not happy with being consulted after surveying had
already started in the area. This was not helped by the initial approach
taken in the hui however, by the end of the hui whanau had their say!
2. People were not happy to learn that the contaminated water was going to
be transported to Taranaki and was viewed as both culturally and
environmentally unacceptable.
3. The option of using sea water was no longer being considered altho it
was acknowledged that utilising the local rivers was also not an option so
there was some discussion held on maybe using waste water or trucking in
water from another area but no further infomation on the source was known
by the company at this stage.
4. Ngati Kere and Dannevirke are keen to progress the preparation of a
CIA/ cultural values report and will be meeting with Apache company to
develop the idea more in January.
5. Ngati Kahungunu Iwi are willing to facilitate/ assist in what ever
decisions Ngati Kere may determine and will continue to support future hui
between hapu and Tagoil/ Apache.
6. The technical aspects of the exploration phases were discussed at
length and whanau were very articulate in expressing their issues and
feelings about protecting our whenua, water, cultural values for future
generations.
7. Landowners (not in support of the exploration) were not happy that the
surveying had started on their property without their consent. Also,
concerns were raised on the potential impacts of the explosions in phase
one. Dannevirke whanau gave an example of how their involvement in the
initial surveying process had resulted in diverting potential damage to
local kawakawa shrubs by shifting the posts.
Overall, whanau were able to express their viewpoints and appreciatated the
frankness/ honesty of Tagoil/Apache representatives who made it clear their
intention was to continue meeting with hapu/Iwi. Also, there was a
commitment to keep people informed, to resolve issues/concerns (also
discuss potential social and economic gains) and to continue consulting on
developments as they evolve (ie, the source of water for the exploration).
The minutes of the meeting held last week in Wairoa was ciculated amongst
whanau who appreciated the list of questions we put together and most of
them got raised altho not all answered.
Manu we also appreciated your feedback from the meeting held recently and
agree they do need to understand our tikanga, whakapapa, integral
connections to the whenua, awa, processes etc. whanau support the idea of a
CIA/ cultural values document prepared which they believe would go some way
to articulating our values, relationships, concerns etc. Tagoil/Apache
also like the idea and we will explore this more - also encourage
involvement of other Hapu/Iwi.
There was not enough discussion on the regulatory aspects of RMA but Mike
Mohi, Morry Black, Counsellors and other people working with CHBDC and HBRC
will ensure these issues get raised in future meetings planned between
councils and Tagoil/ Apache.
Im sure a more comprehensive report on the minutes of the hui will be
produced by the Iwi but this is just a quick summary and again to express
our appreciation of your support.
I have cc whanau in and wonder whether you might like to be part of the
network to recieve the invaluable information ciculated thru the emails?
(Lots!!)
Can we consider bringing all the hapu involved on the East coast together
to hui/ wananga in the new year?? Be good to invite Taranaki who have lots
of experience and knowledge to share.
What say you all?
Have some funding available to add to the putea. Any suggestions on the
location. timeframes etc. Happy to be part of a group to coordinate this
happening.
ok Benita Wakefield
We need this exchange of thinking and leadership so we can follow up with these companies. Lets not just talk and do nothing. A group is needed Benita. Thank you ladies.Marina
Kia ora Benita,
nga mihi i to mahi i tenei ra, kapai koe!
It was a very interesting meeting, and I am glad Manaia and I made it. I support all your korero below and look forward to further discussions as a hapu and with the TAG oil and Apache companies. Their presentation was huge, much not needed for our sakes i.e. in's and out's of how to drill a hole. But once we got to the questions, it open it up for them to see our point of view. All the government can see is money so Oil companies from overseas obviously think going to the top is the way to go, but I am sure they learnt a lot today.
We need to push to add things like:
Local or indigenous employment being 20% of their team (this could upskill a core group of our men (in particular) with drillling, machinery work, there could be administration duties, kaumatua advisory etc. Lets get ourselves involved!
Gaurantees that in 10 - 20 years the areas drilled and work on have regrown to their orginal state (not just replant it and thats all they need to do, because with all the chemicals they are putting into Papatuanuku, there is no gaurantee it will grown, so they need to be liable for more than just replanting).
Where do they stay when they are here, who feeds them, there's more employment opportunities there, and from the feed we had today they could be very well interested in that!
At lunch time I spoke with the men at our table and said something along the lines like...:
You need to do research on the communities that you are coming into and contribute something so that you have the support of the people. Uncle Dick said we don't want money just look after our land but we do at the end of the day, we've been trying for years to get a new ablution block here, at our marae, a playgroud, there is heaps you could do. If you make a contribution, it will be appreciated and people will support you. This place is the heart beat of us all, this is were it all happens for us.
They did say they absolutely do things like that, they have built schools in Eygpt (mainly for girls because they aren't allowed to go!!!!), brought schools sports equipment etc. So I just planted that seed, there's plenty you can do here.
Also I spoke to them about Te Tiriti o Waitangi and article 2 and pointed out that they are taking our natural resources which is to be protected, we are the kaitiaki, so the govt has again breached our treaty. They said yes we have had the treaty talk and there are 2 versions, correct? Yes and the indigenous one is the ONE!
So a lovely bunch of guys, who thought halfway through their presentation, "Oh no, we've done this the wrong way....." they have taken away many thoughts, ideas, desires, wants, and warnings so we will see what comes of them next.
So kia kaha everyone, we need to stick to them like paua. They said they want to be the friendly neighbour and want to know that they are welcome here and if not.... they'll leave..... anyway enough from me, just popping $20 worth in :o)
Po marie xxxx
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM,
hi the following email was sent out to a group of people who have been
helping us and forwarding on a copy to you all.
benita
Kia ora
The meeting with Tagoil/ Apache tody was well attended by Ngati Kere, with
Robert and Hayden Hape from Dannevirke, whanau from Rakautatahi, Ngati
Kahungunu Iwi, landowners, CHBDC councellors, HBRC Maori standing
committee, whanau and wider community of Porangahau.
Summary of discussion/issues raised:
1. Ngati Kere were not happy with being consulted after surveying had
already started in the area. This was not helped by the initial approach
taken in the hui however, by the end of the hui whanau had their say!
2. People were not happy to learn that the contaminated water was going to
be transported to Taranaki and was viewed as both culturally and
environmentally unacceptable.
3. The option of using sea water was no longer being considered altho it
was acknowledged that utilising the local rivers was also not an option so
there was some discussion held on maybe using waste water or trucking in
water from another area but no further infomation on the source was known
by the company at this stage.
4. Ngati Kere and Dannevirke are keen to progress the preparation of a
CIA/ cultural values report and will be meeting with Apache company to
develop the idea more in January.
5. Ngati Kahungunu Iwi are willing to facilitate/ assist in what ever
decisions Ngati Kere may determine and will continue to support future hui
between hapu and Tagoil/ Apache.
6. The technical aspects of the exploration phases were discussed at
length and whanau were very articulate in expressing their issues and
feelings about protecting our whenua, water, cultural values for future
generations.
7. Landowners (not in support of the exploration) were not happy that the
surveying had started on their property without their consent. Also,
concerns were raised on the potential impacts of the explosions in phase
one. Dannevirke whanau gave an example of how their involvement in the
initial surveying process had resulted in diverting potential damage to
local kawakawa shrubs by shifting the posts.
Overall, whanau were able to express their viewpoints and appreciatated the
frankness/ honesty of Tagoil/Apache representatives who made it clear their
intention was to continue meeting with hapu/Iwi. Also, there was a
commitment to keep people informed, to resolve issues/concerns (also
discuss potential social and economic gains) and to continue consulting on
developments as they evolve (ie, the source of water for the exploration).
The minutes of the meeting held last week in Wairoa was ciculated amongst
whanau who appreciated the list of questions we put together and most of
them got raised altho not all answered.
Manu we also appreciated your feedback from the meeting held recently and
agree they do need to understand our tikanga, whakapapa, integral
connections to the whenua, awa, processes etc. whanau support the idea of a
CIA/ cultural values document prepared which they believe would go some way
to articulating our values, relationships, concerns etc. Tagoil/Apache
also like the idea and we will explore this more - also encourage
involvement of other Hapu/Iwi.
There was not enough discussion on the regulatory aspects of RMA but Mike
Mohi, Morry Black, Counsellors and other people working with CHBDC and HBRC
will ensure these issues get raised in future meetings planned between
councils and Tagoil/ Apache.
Im sure a more comprehensive report on the minutes of the hui will be
produced by the Iwi but this is just a quick summary and again to express
our appreciation of your support.
I have cc whanau in and wonder whether you might like to be part of the
network to recieve the invaluable information ciculated thru the emails?
(Lots!!)
Can we consider bringing all the hapu involved on the East coast together
to hui/ wananga in the new year?? Be good to invite Taranaki who have lots
of experience and knowledge to share.
What say you all?
Have some funding available to add to the putea. Any suggestions on the
location. timeframes etc. Happy to be part of a group to coordinate this
happening.
ok Benita Wakefield
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